First part of an Aeoli Kephas chat between Mars and Pluto, Cary McCoy and Jason on finding the right balance between bread and Spirit, the struggle of surviving as an artist, dealing with rejection, being a flesh vessel, the virus of self-doubt, stormy weather in Texas, the rise of SWEDARGO, letting go of the drive for success as the key to success, letting addictions go without feeding them, the value of feeling worthless, the rock tumbler, life as a flesh vessel, money as "the Big Issue," being defined by status, J's meeting with Erik the shaman, the fallacy of debt, Cary's SWEDA process and the effects of it: providing a new context, learning to be in the world but not (so much) of the world.