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The second half of a two-hour conversation with Douglas Lain from Diet Soap, in which Doug snatches some free SWEDA-time with Jason and they discuss Doug's alien encounters, his early writing career, his bid to be a somebody, his social libertarianism, 9/11 obsession as a way to escape marriage troubles, escapism and self-medication, enjoyment of the body as opposed to enjoyment with the body, Doug's activism, connecting via podcasts, his lousy job situation, being a father and husband, the danger of becoming a burden to one's family, the somebody virus, seeing problems as they are instead of trying to fix them, existential psychology versus mysticism, how we are fully responsible for our circumstances, and finally Doug queries Jason on the responsiblity of giving advice and his recent chat with Steve Willner.

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