Jason chats with Michael O' Neill from Magus Arts Presents about iconoclasm, Jason’s formative years and school days, learning to beat the system from within, subtle subversion versus outright rebellion, undermining the status quo, the function of a virus inside a hostile system, the parallels with Aeolus Kephas in the Alternate Perceptions Community, turning paranoid awareness on its head, Jason’s brother & father, growing up without rules, the trip to Morocco, why Morocco, being a bum, poaching on Arab soil, learning the Tarot, the path of letting go, Shamanism vs. Magick, Guatemala, meeting Mitch, giving up sorcerer persona, a deglamorization process, sorcery as plumbing, leaving the occult at the door for SWEDA, who needs algebra for grocery shopping?