Part Two of Jason's chat with Cary "Mars" McCoy, covering Cary's disaster management, the infrastructures of SWEDA and Jason's desire to be dispensable, collective karma, instant karma, quantum karma (if everything is karmic then nothing is), Cary's first music gig, giving energy as its own reward, Cary's father, repeating pattern played out at SWEDA, the root of Cary's feeling like a "worthless piece of shit," back to poverty and money, how to get attention, how to learn not to care what others think and what WE think about ourselves, Cary's unusual method of haircut, what Davie Bowie feels like and is there a way to be successful enough to avoid identity deconstruction (n0), the overriding emotion of passion and Cary's muscle memories.