Secretly recorded by Keith Zawacki (a.k.a Uranus), this chat between Jason and KZ provides a glimpse behind the ARGO curtain to see what's really going on with this Planetary Psycho-Theater business. Jason airs his doubts about going public, describes the conflict between channeling Plutonian energy of deconstruction and Saturnian energy of structure-building, the nature of Atlantean friendships, movement of the assemblage point from the place of silent knowledge to the place of reason and the place of concern, self-consciousness and embarrassment as the collective mood of the times, real shamanism vs. "assumed" shamanism, and what IS SWEDA, if not a weird planetary cult or a cheesy new age male bonding club? They also discuss how to proceed with the podcasts, the idea of inviting participants to explore the ARGO and partake in acts of virtual theater, as preparation for coming on the show, and exchange a word or two about APC luminaries Kotze, Knowlesy, and Henrik P.